tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1580378912972065231.post1228587658457751354..comments2024-01-04T11:40:48.827-06:00Comments on Dr Michael G Strauss: A Primer on Various Views About OriginsMichael G Strausshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11580842374977938870noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1580378912972065231.post-31633014125644661942019-12-27T09:38:24.008-06:002019-12-27T09:38:24.008-06:00Thanks Jimmy. I completely agree with your comment...Thanks Jimmy. I completely agree with your comments.Michael G Strausshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11580842374977938870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1580378912972065231.post-634384214193581562019-12-26T19:45:29.993-06:002019-12-26T19:45:29.993-06:00I think you are referring to Romans 5:12. Studied...I think you are referring to Romans 5:12. Studied carefully in context, this passage makes no explicit, or even implicit reference to animal death. It mentions "death through sin" and death that has "spread to all men, because all sinned". The Bible very clearly limits the death mentioned here to mankind-because only mankind is capable of sin. To say the Bible teaches here that there was no animal death before sin is to add something to the Bible that it simply does not say. So if it doesn't teach that here where does it teach it? It doesn't. It stems from a bad theology that says "God wouldn't create a world where animal death is part of a 'very good' creation". Careful study of Psalm 104 refutes that theology. Specifically, vs 27-30 explicitly says of God "You take away their breath, they die...". God causes their death. It then says "You send forth Your Spirit, they are created; and You renew the face of the earth". Notice that animals die. Who or what causes their death? God. Notice that God creates new animals to "renew the face of the earth" AFTER the mentioned death of animals. Therefore the Bible very clearly teaches here that animals were dying BEFORE Adam was even created since all animals were created before Adam was created. Hi Mike this is Jimmy Slack.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02295524344525014558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1580378912972065231.post-46824130416865552222019-07-18T17:23:42.388-05:002019-07-18T17:23:42.388-05:00Your view is, indeed, in another category called &...Your view is, indeed, in another category called "the gap theory." It was widely held by some evangelical Christians in the mid-20th century but is not held by many people today.Michael G Strausshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11580842374977938870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1580378912972065231.post-18265960506624387302019-07-16T10:11:59.177-05:002019-07-16T10:11:59.177-05:00I don't think my understanding of things fits ...I don't think my understanding of things fits neatly into any category - and I don't know many Christians who share my view exactly. Put simply, it's that the earth and the universe are as old as science cares to say it is - and that scripture doesn't tell us how old it is - but that the human race is about 6,000 years old. I believe that God created the heavens and the earth, as Genesis 1:1 tells us. Then, between that event and the state we find the earth in in Genesis 1:2, something cataclysmic must have occured to render the earth waste, dark and empty. In that 'gap', I believe that everything prior to man, and prior to the animal and vegetable creation known to man, lived and existed. Then, God set about in six literal days, demarked clearly in the word of God as such, to prepare the scene of devastation for habitation by His creature man. Having done so, He created man and set him in it. The present ordering of the creation is in relation to man, and therefore it was set on by God using a time-frame and in a way that man could understand and could take moral instruction from. God did not prepare the present earth in an instant, nor did He develop it over countless billions of years. I think we can be assured of the literal facts of Biblical creation by the moral facts it teaches - most importantly, that God would never create an earth which was darkened and wasted, and that His actions in creating a renewed scene were in relation to man. Denique Coelumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05000586828054102254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1580378912972065231.post-10634105247872522042019-06-13T11:27:38.137-05:002019-06-13T11:27:38.137-05:00Yes, death came through the sin of Adam. To determ...Yes, death came through the sin of Adam. To determine what death came through sin, though, we must look at what the Bible teaches, not just presume you know. God said that Adam would die the day he ate the fruit and God always keeps his promises. Adam did not die physically, so physical death must not have been what God meant. Adam did die spiritually, so the death that came through the fall of Adam must be spiritual death, not physical death. This is verified by all the passages in the Bible that talk about the death and life that came about from sin. John 3:16 says whoever believes will have eternal life. Since those who believe will still die physically, the life Christ brings must be spiritual life. In John 11 Jesus says "everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die." Of course, they will die physically so this must be spiritual life and death. I don't think there is a single passage in the Bible that is discussing the death and life that came through the fall where it unambiguously refers to physical death. But they are all clearly talking about spiritual life and death.<br /><br />Young earth creationists want to make a big deal about millions of years of animal death before the fall of humans. But animal death is not a moral or immoral issue. If it is not a moral issue then it does not have to be the result of sin. I eat meat and kill ants and the death of animals for my food or the death of ants and spiders in my house is not a moral issue. It is the death of spiritual beings, humans, that is a moral issue. It is the spiritual death of humans that was a result of the fall, not the physical death of animals. This is what the Bible teaches. It is our spiritual death that requires a Messiah.Michael G Strausshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11580842374977938870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1580378912972065231.post-20320026409059361942019-06-12T21:47:46.272-05:002019-06-12T21:47:46.272-05:00The terms come from the general features of the ch...The terms come from the general features of the changes that are made. Are they simply changes observed at the microscopic level or do they make changes that are major functional changes observed at the macroscopic level.Michael G Strausshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11580842374977938870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1580378912972065231.post-91740059213497862242019-06-12T08:16:07.805-05:002019-06-12T08:16:07.805-05:00I can see where people get the idea of an old eart... I can see where people get the idea of an old earth creation except for one very big problem. Doesn't the Bible very clearly say that sin entered the world because of Adam? Doesn't it also say that death came about because of sin? If there was no sin and death before Adam, why would there be all of these creatures dying before that. Fossil records show cancer type growths, evidence of violent deaths. <br />I don't think that this issue is one of salvation but it does bring up questions about sin, death, and a need for a messiah. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12675594899591995363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1580378912972065231.post-78679086549003639672019-06-11T17:16:41.331-05:002019-06-11T17:16:41.331-05:00Minor issue with your wording, "macroscopic e... Minor issue with your wording, "macroscopic evolution" makes it sound like you are refering to the evolution of macroscopic lifeforms (as opposed to microscopic lifeforms) which is not normally the arguement. Normally the idea among creationists (old-earth and young-earth) is that evolution is simply limited in the degree and extent of change it can drive. Not that it is limited by how big a creature it can affect. Wowfunny251https://www.blogger.com/profile/03902114205555870370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1580378912972065231.post-11862411863094412272019-06-09T09:46:12.011-05:002019-06-09T09:46:12.011-05:00As a Young Earth Creationist I agree the most impo...As a Young Earth Creationist I agree the most important aspect of Christianity is Love, and I respect your view, but I respectfully disagree in love.Pastor Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16448631338803614972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1580378912972065231.post-48525169924315273642019-05-18T16:15:48.899-05:002019-05-18T16:15:48.899-05:00What are the implications of the new evidence comi...What are the implications of the new evidence coming out that the universe may only be 12.5 billion years old? Have we overestimated the distance between solar systems? Have we overestimated the speed of light?Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03975489374956071841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1580378912972065231.post-4730413708259723642019-05-14T07:59:54.758-05:002019-05-14T07:59:54.758-05:00I don't know this viewpoint and my blog only t...I don't know this viewpoint and my blog only talked about the major views held by people today. Whatever this view is, it isn't held by many. I've asked for further clarification about this other viewpoint. It may be similar to the "gap" theory that says there is a long period of time (a gap) between Genesis 1:1 and the creation of the universe, and then the recreation of earth to make it suitable for humans in Genesis 1:2 and the rest of the chapter.Michael G Strausshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11580842374977938870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1580378912972065231.post-4947806748692947872019-05-13T22:13:24.229-05:002019-05-13T22:13:24.229-05:00The 5th viewpoint? Explain please. Simple words I ...The 5th viewpoint? Explain please. Simple words I beg you...I'm Not That Bright.Valinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06986013000738641928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1580378912972065231.post-32423479736953357632019-05-12T21:58:51.749-05:002019-05-12T21:58:51.749-05:00How would you answer the three questions posed her...How would you answer the three questions posed here?Michael G Strausshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11580842374977938870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1580378912972065231.post-18031132799267498672019-05-12T19:32:30.934-05:002019-05-12T19:32:30.934-05:00What we have to remember as Christians is, That wh...What we have to remember as Christians is, That which unites us (Jesus) is so much greater that that which divides us. <br /><br />Valinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06986013000738641928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1580378912972065231.post-76141457511834471192019-05-12T10:45:02.504-05:002019-05-12T10:45:02.504-05:00Michael, would love to have you join our Facebook ...Michael, would love to have you join our Facebook Group to learn about a fifth viewpoint that youra completely misses; a viewpoint we believe the Scriptures teach: Young Biosphere Creationism.<br />https://www.facebook.com/groups/1864258817183394/Chris Bozunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09795198791481445446noreply@blogger.com